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This 2014 interview with veteran engaged artist Krzysztof Wodiczko addresses work that was made in dialogue with homeless people in Montreal. Drawing on previous experience, Wodiczko emphasizes in the process of collaboration the needs of individual participants and their own performance skills in the presentation of self within conditions of marginality and adversity. The subversive humour of Charlie Chaplin and Bertolt Brecht are identified as key components of Wodiczko’s approach to realism.