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Legitimacy within a subculture is often a hotly contested concept, and this is particularly prevalent amongst adherents of Goth music and fashion. It is the topic of discussion between post-punk pioneer Jon Klein and Goth commentator Tim Sinister in an interview that covers the formative Goth nightclub, Batcave and the sounds and style that originated within. The origins, evolution and future of this longstanding yet ill-defined alternative institution are all under review.